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CNN
Oct 1, 2012 4:00pm EDT
situation room." >>> happening now, just two days before the first obama/romney debate and our new cnn national poll shows the president's lost, lost his post-convention bounce. but there's a different story in the battleground states. >>> mitt romney could make a huge impact on the supreme court. how he could change the direction of the court for decades. >>> they make $10 a day to put their lives on the line. but they could lose their job ifs they don't lose some weight. i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." >>> we're now just 36 days from the presidential election and nationally our brand-new cnn/orc poll of likely voters shows the race between president obama and governor romney remaining up for grabs. the president leads 50% to 47%. but his three-point margin is within the poll's sampling error. our chief national correspondent john king is in denver getting ready for the debate over there. that's the site of the debate. john, take us into these numbers. what are you seeing? >> reporter: well, wolf, i can tell you this, talking to senior officials in the romney campaig
MSNBC
Oct 5, 2012 8:00am PDT
years. will these new numbers mean lights out for romney's post debate afterglow? new ads kat aare catered to cri inting states. joining me live is jan schakowsky. congresswoman, it's great to have you here. business pioneer jack welch basically calls these numbers into question. had this remark that he tweeted out earlier today saying, unbelievable jobs numbers. these chicago guys will do anything, can't debate, so change numbers. what do you say to that? even the white house though right now this morning reluctant to spike the football on this. in their statement saying it is critical we continue the policies that are building an economy that works for the middle cla class as we dig our way out of a deep hole. what is your response to those questioning the validity? >> that's really interesting because i happened to see one of those chicago guys last night. i was with david axelrod. i asked him what do you expect about the jobs numbers? he says, i really don't know. we're hoping it will be good. so, you know, it doesn't surprise me that romney supporters are now going to take thi
FOX News
Oct 7, 2012 1:00pm PDT
that to be a point of contention at the debated a week from tuesday, as well. the obama campaign saying the romney performance last wednesday was a performance. romney campaign saying the obama campaign is behaving like a seven-year-old kid playing checkers. he wipes the board off the table. >> gregg: reminds me of elementary school, liar, liar, pants on fire. we could go on and on. john roberts, thanks so much. >> air force one expected to touchdown in los angeles any moment. president heading to a private event followed by a campaign 30 days to victory concert at nokia theater in los angeles. it will be packed with celebrity supporters. president will make remarks along with actor and sinsel town george clooney and musical performances by many celebrities we'll get a live report a bit later on. >> heather: political battle breaking out over the number one issue this election season, jobs. on friday. the labor department reporting that the unemployment rate for september was right there, 7.8%. the obama campaign out to that go number to show that the recovery is picking up steam, but republicans
FOX News
Oct 7, 2012 4:00pm EDT
can only help the romney campaign and only hurt the obama campaign. last debate between romney and obama, romney cleaned obama's clock. you can tell who won by the poll numbers. having ryan do well in this debate only helps that momentum going forward. at the same time, vice president biden is prone to gaffes. he has talked about the middle-class being in a ditch for the last four years. he has been talking about raising taxes, raising trillions of dollars in taxes. having that one soundbite that biden can across with as a gaffe could really hurt. >> heather: do you think we'll see a more aggressive vice president biden? >> i hope so. one thing about the first debate that democrats will learn that mitt romney and paul ryan, they fact checkers they will get into it. they will say things over and over again that are not true. during the debate the vice president needs to say during the debate, paul ryan that is not true. at the time they can't rely on fact checks for after the debate. >> heather: vice president biden has had problems were with his own fact checkingers. coming out
MSNBC
Oct 5, 2012 3:00am PDT
romney as a souvenir of the night he crushed you in that debate. >> my gosh. okay. >> so that's what he's doing. because i'm sitting there going, what's he doing? >> good morning, everyone. >> it makes more sense. it fills in the blank. >> that gives us proper context. >> it is friday. it is friday, thank god. i need two days away from all of you people. october 5th. >> mika, hold on. >> no, stop. >> you need a couple of days away from politics. >> no, i don't. >> mika, all day yesterday -- >> what you say off tv sometimes stays off tv. >> i'm not going to repeat what you said. i've never seen her so depressed. she sort of wandered around. >> it was just one day. >> i swear to god, she was wandering around getting lost in crowds. >> no, that's just how i walk. >> i swear to god, she'd go, "he might win." >> no, i did not do that. now you're making up stuff. i do get lost in crowds, but that's because i have no sense of direction and i'm on my iphone. okay. >> chosen one may not be chosen this time. >> no. >> and it's freaking her out. >> it was a bad night. i will say this, i don't know
MSNBC
Oct 5, 2012 6:00am EDT
did in the debate! obama lost despite mitt romney doing this. >> i'm sorry, jim, i'm going to stop the subsidy to pbs, i'm going to stop other things. i like pbs. i like big bird. i actually like you, too. i'm not going to spend money on things to borrow money from china to pay for it. >> he [ bleep ] fired big bird! he still won walking away. romney won with the sound up. >> you're entitled to your own airplane and your own house but not to your own facts. >> romney won with the sound off. dude, he's yelling at you! look up! look up! what are you looking at? what are you writing that's so important? what are you doing -- oh, that's not -- oh, i didn't realize. that is impressive work. i didn't realize that. maybe you could give that to mitt romney as a souvenir of the night he crushed you in that debate. >> my gosh. okay. >> so that's what he's doing. because i'm sitting there going, what's he doing? >> good morning, everyone. >> it makes more sense. it fills in the blank. >> that gives us proper context. >> it is friday. it is friday, thank god. i need two days away from all of y
CNN
Oct 6, 2012 5:00am PDT
? and what we found in the debate was that mitt romney kind of walked away from a lot of the policies he had been talking about, so president obama i think didn't have the opportunity he should have had to compare their plans because every time he talked about what was in the romney plan, romney said oh, no, no, no, that's not in my plan when it of course had been for the last six months. next time we're going to have to go back at that a little bit. and the second point was that when we look at -- at america today, you know, we're not in a -- in a state -- yes, everybody's got the economy as their number one issue, but people don't live in that kind of binary world. when an immigrant family is worried about whether their children are going to be deported, they can't study as hard at school. when a woman -- when a mom is worried about, you know, paying for her reproductive health, you know, that adds an extra burden to her economic struggles. when a gay and lexan family doesn't have benefits or isn't recognized, you know, the workplace and where they choose to work becomes a much bigger stru
CNN
Oct 6, 2012 8:00am EDT
independent groups, you know, what people said was, okay, mitt romney won the debate on -- on style, but it didn't change their mind about the election, and i think voters are really looking for answers, like these jobs reports i think are -- are significant, and that's why the republicans are doing everything they can to discredit them because what we're saying -- what we're seeing is that we're moving in the right direction. we found ourselves in a hole and are moving in the right direction and president obama has been pretty steady eddie about that, and that's what voters are going to respond to. >> so you think then that the jobs report is enough to cancel out obama's debate performance, or will there be continued damage? >> i don't think there's any comparison. the jobs reports are about real people and real lives and where the economy is going. the debate was, as i said, just sort of important theater, and -- but if i -- i actually watched the debate again yesterday just to try to get it. president obama didn't do so badly. he was much quieter. he was more thoughtful. he got a
FOX News
Oct 7, 2012 9:00am PDT
that were watching that debate and expected an honest, serious debate was governor romney. the president, not just disappointed the people who were waiting for him to come prepared. i found it to beay offensive. i think a lot of people did. >> shannon: the american folks will have the chance to see the v.d. p. debate and two more with the head-to-head match up. >> shannon: fair and balanced. let's check in with congressman debbie wasserman-schultz. i am sure there is a lot you would like to respond to. let's start with the contention that and you other democrats know it's a lie to say that mitt romney is proposing a $5 trillion tax cut, qeet you want to keep that narrative going. >> if you look at independent fact checkers, that looked at mitt romney's claim that he didn't have a $5 trillion tax cut proposal, skewed toward the wealthy to require mitts-class tax increases, polito facts, new york times, independent fact checkers and economists have said that mitt romney has embraced for 18 months, until wednesday night, that he has a $5 trillion tax cut plan, skewed toward the wealthy and
NBC
Oct 7, 2012 8:00am PDT
's understand this. one thing they saw in the debate was clear. mitt romney's plan is to go back to a failed economic theory of tax cuts for the very rich, despite the fact that he denied the existence of tax cuts or the existence of math. the notion that let's go to war on wall street -- go to war with "sesame street" but give wall street a big wet kiss. that's exactly what got us into this mess. >> that's not what they saw. i get the interpretation. you have a campaign to win. but what they saw was one guy who seemed to be someone they'd never seen before. he shattered the fiction of the advertising. he was a guy brimming with new ideas and energy. and they saw the president of the united states sleep walking. >> mike, i don't think -- >> let me finish. the tired contrast rang a bell. romney has ideas, and the president has no vision for his second term. and i think that's what hurt him. >> mike, i don't doubt this was someone they had never seen before. i think there were people in the romney campaign who had never seen this candidate. a week ago paul ryan was asked to explain the math of
MSNBC
Oct 7, 2012 11:00pm PDT
. the cover of the noe"the new yo mitt romney eastwooding, debating an empty chair. simple question. what happened? this couldn't have been the game plan for this president to go in and by all accounts underperform against a guy whose back was against the wall, who faced a make or break debate. >> look, david, it's not rocket science to believe that the president was disappointed in the expectations that he has for himself. but, look, i think part of that was because as i said earlier we met a new mitt romney. we met a mitt romney that wanted to walk away from the central theory of his economic plan, which is his tax cut. i don't have a tax cut that's $4.8 trillion. i'm not going to cut taxes on the rich. i don't have a medicare voucher plan. i love teachers. and i think we need more of them. look, don't believe me. speaker gingrich was pretty eloquent running during the primaries and saying, mitt romney will say absolutely anything to get elected. and if somebody says absolutely anything to get elected you have to wonder what they'll say when they are president of the united states. >> s
CNN
Oct 5, 2012 4:00pm EDT
: before the new jobs numbers, romney had been riding a wave of momentum after this week's debate. he even got a pass from the president who never mentioned romney's comments on the 47% of americans who don't pay federal income taxes. >> there are 47% of the people who vote for the president no matter what. >> reporter: with an obama campaign ad still repeating those, romney tried to put an end to the controversy once and for all on fox. >> clearly in a campaign with hundreds and thousands of speeches and question and answer sessions, now and then you're going to say something that doesn't come out right. in this case i've said something that's completely wrong. >> reporter: romney heads next to florida where his economic message will still resonate. that state's unemployment rate while it has gone down in recent months is still well above the national average. wolf. >> jim acosta joining us, thanks very much. let's dig deeper right now with our chief political analyst gloria borger. gloria, this unemployment number, the new number, how important is it to each of these two candidates? >> w
FOX News
Oct 5, 2012 3:00am PDT
.m. today. just a few hours before the debate started. romney did his debate prep in denver. when you go to 5,000 feet. >> exactly. >> and you only have a few hours to adjust. >> that's interesting. i don't know . >> brian: it makes a lot of sense. >> steve: there is such a thing. >> gretchen: we agree with it? >> brian: if you are playing the broncos that is an issue. but just talking? did anybody wipe the lens in the cameras. >> gretchen: what else is on the set agreeing with him. >> brian: he owns the company. sounds good, boss. >> steve: over the last 24 hours, the reason that the president was so subdued. they decided he was going to play it safe . rope the dope and let the clock run out . stay above the fray . it turns out the other guy bested him and that according to the polls. >> brian: how much to lower the temperature in here. it is 110. >> gretchen: i went like this. >> brian: you turned up the heat. >> gretchen: i turned it up from 69 to 66. >> brian: 10 bucks gets me to 62. >> gretchen: i will match that and more. okay, he's turning down the air conditioning to 50 let me do
MSNBC
Oct 5, 2012 6:00pm PDT
. but the 2012 version of that theory now is that mitt romney cheated in the debate against president obama this week not by having somebody feed him the answers through an ear piece but rather by bringing the illegal crib sheet on to the debate stage with him. you see, previous debate rules have set out very clearly that, quote, no props, notes, charts, diagrams, or other writings or other tangible things may be brought into the debate by any candidate and yet have a look at this damning evidence. this is at the very beginning of the debate on wednesday night and as you'll be able to see clearly here what is that in your pocket? mr. romney very clearly pulls something from his right pocket and he pops it on to the podium in front of him. violation. violation. according to the conspiracy, complete with the grainy, slow mo youtube videos, this is mr. romney cheating. now he must have been working from note cards the entire debate. the explanation from the romney campaign is mr. romney was not pulling notes out of his pocket. he was pulling out of his pocket a handkerchief. sure enough, a lit
MSNBC
Oct 5, 2012 9:00pm PDT
working from note cards the entire debate. the explanation from the romney campaign is mr. romney was not pulling notes out of his pocket. he was pulling out of his pocket a handkerchief. sure enough, a little later on, oop, in the debate mr. romney is seen wiping his nose with said handkerchief. so whether you are persuaded by mitt romney wiping his nose on what is supposed to be his crib sheet notes, if you're on the left, again, like this is a conspiracy theory that just does not help. president obama did not win the first debate against mitt romney. whether or not you're happy about that he didn't win. but if your takeaway from this conspiracy theory in this debate is the reason the president didn't win is because mitt romney cheated, then what is the utility of that theory for you? what is the utility of that information? how do you think president obama should then prepare for the second debate? should he just do exactly what he did this past wednesday night, except keep a closer eye out for the cheating because that is the only reason he lost? i mean, it may be comforting t
CSPAN
Oct 5, 2012 1:00am EDT
decisive i think that pretty much any other debate than any of us here can remember. i thought gov. romney did a fabulous job on both the relative basis. comparing mitt romney with performances that we usually see, quite fabulous. on a nominal basis, he did very, very well. i think it is true to say president obama is a superior or turk. i think mitt romney is a better debater. romney, you know, we saw something that we had not seen in a long time. it occurred to me that this reminded me more of the mitt romney i met in 1994 when he was running for the senate and came by and met with me and was incredibly an impressive and analytical and fact driven and pragmatic. this was that guy, not so much the person who had been pretending to be an ideologue for the past few years. obama seemed to be like a team sitting on a lead. i would not have said smog it, i would have just said somebody who did not seem to be terribly hungry for it. -- i would not say smug, just somebody that was not hungry for it. i did not really big in these examples after, i do not particularly care for them. -- these insta
MSNBC
Oct 7, 2012 12:00pm PDT
. >>> mitt romney has taken his success in wednesday's presidential debate and run with it observers noting a more open and comfortable romney on the campaign trail in virginia. will the obama camp have to regroup in, regroup and campaign against the new mitt romney? joining me, tom perriello, former democratic congressman. tom, good afternoon to you. >> good afternoon, thanks for having me. >> a new poll out showing americans with mixed opinions of president obama's job performance following the debate. let's take a look here, gallup poll, 48% approving of the job that mr. obama is doing as president. 46% disapproving. the poll taken over the three days following the debate. prior to the debate, 54% approving of the president's performance. 42% disapproving. how badly did the debate hurt the president, tom? >> i think we'll probably see it being temporarily, though we'll only know over time. people care a lot more about the great jobs report from friday. they care about what the plans mean for medicare. and as we've seen, mitt romney is paying a high price for one good night. he made up 27
ABC
Oct 2, 2012 1:40am PDT
on the campaign trail as president obama and mitt romney hunkers down and prepares for wednesday's debate. a new abc news/"washington post" poll shows a very tight race. so both campaigns see tomorrow night as a big opportunity. this presidential campaign has been going on for nearly two years and finally it's debate season for the nominees. the time when americans seem to really start paying attention. president obama's rehearsing with senator john kerry and mitt romney is squaring off against senator rob portman. both candidates have challenges and checklists. president obama's working on shorter answers, trying to avoid sounding like the professor he was before the white house. democrats say he needs to look strong and forceful and not appear irritated or impatient. >> they're trying to get him into the mode of being able to answer questions, short, concisely, and to the point, and so it's much more like his mannerisms and his style and the way he comes across as opposed to information in this. >> reporter: and mitt romney? he has to seem relatable, especially after his 47% comment. how can h
FOX News
Oct 8, 2012 3:00am PDT
. this is the first poll based entirely on interviews after the debate. mitt romney had a modest debate bounce. the question is will it be a blip or lasting change. >> gretchen: look at the university of colorado forecasting model. this is interesting. this is the only model that looks at the electoral college and you need those votes to be president. 330, of the 538 map are going to mitt romney. this is the same out fit in august or september or august 22nd prediction they said the same thing. but romney picked up five more points. >> steve: what they do. they look at economics of what is going on nationally and local and state level . they look at wealth and they look at unemployment and all sorts of stuff. they predict mitt romney will win these states. new mexico and that is new since they updated it and, north carolina and win virginia ohio new hampshire colorado, wisconsin and ohio and florida and barack will win michigan and nevada. >> gretchen: i don't think that romney will win minnesota. as a native of that state, that is in the obama camp. >> they say voters hold democrats more resp
CNBC
Oct 8, 2012 9:00am EDT
to the debate, there's that moment where governor romney says, how long are we going to get the chinese pay for what we're doing? the chinese on the one hand are paying for what we're doing because they own a lot of the debt. on the other hand, the navy is asking for billions more to defend against the chinese. where are they going to get that money from the chinese? we're tied in. it's one world. not necessarily a good one. >> that's why these are the kinds of things that have to be put on the able, one would expect, and discussed. >> i think at 11:20 a.m., chairman rogers is going to join us today. >>> when we come back, barnes & noble upping the ante in the tablet wars. in an exclusive, ceo bill lynch will tell us how their venture with microsoft will help barnes & noble take on amazon. >>> and making the case for groupon's future. we'll talk with the co-founders. >>> and taking another look at futures, lower opening after weakness in shanghai and europe today. "squawk on the street" is back in a minute. between listening to the numbers... ...and listening to your instinct. duff & phelps
FOX News
Oct 6, 2012 3:00am PDT
not defend his economic record on wednesday night. that's why governor romney won the debate. nothing lying had nothing to do with it. >> yesterday, big news came out and it was a head scratcher for everyone from economists to pundits to politician and these were the unemployment numbers. here is what was confusing. only 114,000 jobs were added in the month of september. that's less than we need to keep up -- keep pace even with population growth. >> what do we need about 200,000. >> yes and 114 is considered anemic. however, somehow the unemployment rate dropped from 8.1 all the way down to 7.8 and that has left economists saying how did this happen? >> how in the world did this happen because 873,000 more people had jobs according to another survey that was a part of this thing. so to make sense of all of this for us this morning is economists and proffer of international business at the university of maryland peter morris is i is joining us this morning. >> hey, peter. >> we needed a smarter person to join us this morning. seriously last night on facebook and twitter people just really c
MSNBC
Oct 5, 2012 8:00pm PDT
governor romney to set the debate or control the debate or use facts that aren't real. he needs to sit there and look governor romney in the eye and say listen. you sit there and tell the american people they're not better off. tell the 5 million people that have jobs today that they're not better off. tell the 37 million people who have health care and are going to have health care that they're not better off. tell the soldiers that are coming back from iraq, back from afghanistan that they're not better off. the president needs to do a full throated defense of his presidency and not allow governor romney to define his presidency for him. this helps significantly. >> and, chris, quickly do we hear mitt romney continue to say that president obama doesn't understand the economy? does this put him in a box? >> well, to some extent but governor romney is going to use his statistics to paint his picture and we saw that. and i think this is one of the things that i would, you know, strongly recommend to the obama campaign. romney was a blizzard of statistics in that debate but a lot of them
ABC
Oct 2, 2012 2:35am EDT
his debate answers, shorter, more succinct. they have two minutes to react. mitt romney took a brief work from prep work to rally supporters in ten ver. told the crowd of thousand. the debats are about something bigger than who wins. romney and his debate partner, ohio senator, rob portman will spend the day working on last minute details. former bronco quarterback john elway announced his support for romney. >>> and now, a major medical headline this morning. internet addiction is now a step closer to being recognized as a serious illness. the world's top sigh kol jilss now recommend further study into internet and technology addiction so it can be formally classified as get this is a mental illness. researchers say children who are addicted to video games, are much more at risk for depression and anxiety. the problem goes beyond video gaming and formal studies should take place next year. >>> that brings us to our facebook question of the day -- how do you know when you have been overdoing it online and what do you do to control yourself? let us know at wnnfans.com. i can say from
Current
Oct 8, 2012 4:00pm PDT
different poll versus romney going up on average 4.5% since the debate give it to me one more time. >> it's already over. >> cenk: okay, now i'm going to show you why you shouldn't panic and why that idiot talk show host is not wrong. but first i got to say something more important. i've said like many other pundits that president obama lost that debate. and he clearly did. you look at the polls from all these different organizations they say he lost from 32 to 42 points. but i don't want to equate two things and get them confused. a tactical victory and a debate for mitt romney does not mean you should vote for him. it doesn't mean that he's right. nice job on the debate the tactics, and president obama i can't believe you screwed that up. look at all those lies, why didn't you attack him. it doesn't mean that he's telling the truth and it doesn't mean that president obama is not accurate in what he says is his policies and numbers. i look at these numbers, i think, oh my god there are people who accidently believe that that good debate was reality. the reason why president obama had a b
CNN
Oct 8, 2012 4:00am PDT
debate watchers, 97% of republicans said mitt romney won, 70% of independents said mitt romney won, and 49% of democrats gave it to romney. >>> meanwhile president obama's debate performance left a big opening for the folks at "saturday night live." >> number 20 -- >> excuse me, governor. mr. president? >> i'm sorry. yeah. yeah, what's up? >> mr. president. governor has just said that he killed osama bin laden. would you care to respond? >> um, no, you two go ahead. >> not bad. big bird made a surprise appearance on weekend update, he took the high road when addressing romney's pledge to eliminate money for public television. mr. bird said he didn't want to ruffle any feathers. >> thank you very much. so as we inch toward election day, today could go down as a big moment in the campaign while president barack obama is in san francisco, he's attending three fund-raisers, his republican challenger mitt romney is getting ready to unveil his vision for foreign policy in a speech in lexington, virginia. here's a portion of his speech. it goes like this, they sent us excerpts earlier. ge
CNN
Oct 8, 2012 7:00am EDT
of the race. it does look like mitt romney is getting a bounce out of the debate. a gallup poll taken over seven days your bre break it down, in three days since the debate the race is tied at 47%. the three days prior to the debate, a five--point lead for president obama. that gone over the last three days. gallup asked who won the debate. last wednesday among debate watchers, 97% of republicans said mitt romney won, 70% of independents said mitt romney won, and 49% of democrats gave it to romney. >>> meanwhile president obama's debate performance left a big opening for the folks at "saturday night live." >> number 20 -- >> excuse me, governor. mr. president? >> i'm sorry. yeah. yeah, what's up? >> mr. president. governor has just said that he killed osama bin laden. would you care to respond? >> um, no, you two go ahead. >> not bad. big bird made a surprise appearance on weekend update, he took the high road when addressing romney's pledge to eliminate money for public television. mr. bird said he didn't want to ruffle any feathers. >> thank you very much. so as we inch toward election d
MSNBC
Oct 6, 2012 7:00am PDT
romney, debate and what debate? oh, right. wednesday. the first presidential debate. we got a rigorous macro economic lesson that day. but by the end of the week, the only number that mattered was 7.8. that's because the unemployment rate released yesterday is the lowest since 2009. the bureau of labor statistics announced fresh revisions for the summer jobs numbers. in fact, july and august saw a combined increase of 86,000 more jobs than were originally reported. and the household survey showed is an exceptionally strong month with 873,000 more employed americans last month than in july. president obama was back on the trail yesterday trying to temper his enthusiasm. >> today's news certainly is not an excuse to try to talk down the economy to score a few political points. it's a reminder that this country has come too far to turn back now. >> mr. romney, of course, saw it a little differently. >> the reason it's come down this year is primarily due to the fact that more and more people have just stopped looking for work. >> good try but actually this month, the rate fell because ame
CNN
Oct 2, 2012 4:00am PDT
me do my homework. >> mitt romney put his spin on the debates last night, as well, at a rally in denver. trying to frame how they would be judged. >> and what, in my view, it's not so much winning and losing or even the people themselves, the president and myself, it's -- it's about something bigger than that. these debates are an opportunity for each of us to describe the pathway forward for america that we would choose. and the american people are going to have to make their choice as to what kind of america they want. >> based on the latest cnn national poll we showed you, there is a lot at stake. the candidates within the margin of error on each other. sean spicer is the communications director for the republican national committee. he joins us now from the republican national committee headquarters in washington, d.c. and sean, do you agree with republican nominee mitt romney that the debate is not about winning and losing? >> well, i don't think it's about, you know, who scores the most points or not. it's about laying out a vision for where we want this country to go. t
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